Franz Seidl

* 1934

  • "Uncle Franz, my mother's brother, who had a farm that burned down and where we hid in the cellars, was captured by the Czechs, it must have been sometime in June or July 1945, because he was Ortsbauernführer [district peasant commander]. The Nazis always appointed somebody to this position and then he had to see that the correct milk and butter deliveries were made, to ensure no one conducted an unregistered slaughter, everything had to be reported, he just had to ensure order. But my uncle wasn't a Nazi, he didn't understand politics at all, he was a peasant to the core. And that poor Uncle Franz was captured by the Czechs, thrown into prison, first in Svitavy, then in Mírov na Hané. He had a hard time there, the prisoners had to lie on the concrete floor without beds and blankets, they were freezing and were abused. He was completely destroyed in health there. In 1946 he was deported when the mass deportation of Germans took place, but his health was so bad that he died at the beginning of 1947."

  • "I certainly didn't miss material objects so much - we bought those again in Würtemberg. As a child I missed toys and books, which I loved to read. But what I miss much more than material things, what I miss, is the landscape. For example, the tall oak tree that used to stand next to our house and unfortunately had to be cut down. I used to go for walks in the fields with my grandfather. I still miss those haystacks in the autumn. The connection with nature and the landscape, even though it was a rather rough landscape of the Svitava hills. I really like the fresh air, even when the wind blows quite strongly. I feel much better in the climate of Svitavsko than in the surroundings of Gmünd. And I had to leave that climate, even though I would like to continue living there."

  • "We left and in Svitavy we loaded the truck with the family of a plumber, from whom my mother had gotten contacts to the Russians. We drove towards Brno, where we arrived around midnight. In the middle of the city, the truck suddenly stopped. My parents and the other family got terribly scared because they had heard earlier that some Russians had had presents given to them, had driven the loaded Germans only a short distance, then had thrown them off the back and driven away. But such were not 'our' Russians. They just had a breakdown, one tyre burst. Unfortunately, the spare wheel was under a pile of potatoes. I remember my parents later telling me that the Russians had worked up a good sweat during the replacement, until sweat was running down their backs. So they quickly pulled out the spare wheel, and one Russian said to my mother: 'If the police come now, I'll sit in the back with my gun and shoot in the air, don't be afraid, the driver will drive on.' After changing the bike, the journey continued. Just before the Austrian border a Russian came again, saying: 'Now the border will come, but there's no way we're going to stop. But the barrier wasn't down, it was up, and nobody noticed that we were already in Austria. My parents were probably still scared, but we were already in Austria. In the morning at five or five-thirty we arrived in Vienna. We stepped out onto the sidewalk in the city center, more or less without our luggage. My sister was still small, she was five and a half, she had a leather bag. In October, the weather was already cold. And then we still had a potato sack with a piece of bread and bacon. We all had warm clothes on, but we couldn't take anything else. So we stood there in the street and my parents always said later how happy they were to be free at that time."

  • "Young partisans came to Svitavy and heard that prisoners were being tortured in the big house with the construction company. They said there was a capitalist there who needed revenge. And it was at that moment that my father returned home. Probably from neighbors or from other people the partisans learned that it was the local builder Seidl, and they must have assumed that he was also the Nazi who had tortured prisoners and prisoners from the concentration camps there. He must be punished, eliminated, punished by death. And that's what happened. I still carry the following as a deep trauma: one day, it must have been in the middle of June 1945, partisans came to our house in Svitavy with guns and asked for my father. He had barely been home for a few days. And they said to him, 'You are under arrest,' and to my mother, who spoke Czech, they said directly, 'It is the capitalist who is going to be shot.' He was to be taken away and shot immediately. But the way things were going, even these partisans couldn't shoot him on the spot, they had to take him to the national committee. I still remember which building he was in at that time. They took my father there and held a quick trial. One of the judges, however, was Mr. Huska, a former employee of my father's company. When Mr Huska saw that they were bringing my father as a prisoner, he immediately said to the partisans: 'You can't shoot him, he's an anti-fascist, he wasn't here at all during the war. And he made sure that my father was not shot, in spite of the voices of the other colleagues."

  • "The farmhouse was located in Lačnov about two or three kilometres from us, a beautiful square farmhouse. My uncle had the great misfortune that a week or two before May 9, before the end of the war, Soviet dredgers bombed it because they saw the German army camped in the yard, and the farmhouse burned down completely. Only black ruins remained, but the cellar could be entered and remained intact. Then, when women were dragged out of the houses at night, my mother, us children and my aunt, her sister, fled to their brother Franz in the cellars, above which only the burnt ruins remained. There we hid. My mother and aunt would go to hide in the attic of my grandfather's outhouse, which remained intact and is still standing today. At that time, we were always hiding and hiding."

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I am forever connected with the rugged nature of the Svitava hills

Franz Seidl, Olomouc, 2022
Franz Seidl, Olomouc, 2022
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Franz Seidl was born on 21 December 1934 in Lačnov near Svitavy into a German family as the first child of the owners of the construction company Franz and Emma Seidl. Her mother spoke perfect Czech and many Czech employees worked in their company. His father did not join the NSDAP, among other things, which is why he was soon conscripted into the Wehrmacht, which also confiscated the new Opel Kapitän car. The construction company was taken over by the Nazi Organisation Todt. Little Franz also had many contacts with Czech and Czech friends. During the war he had to attend the Deutsches Jungvolk, but it did not affect him much. From 1943 onwards, the house continuously housed various refugees - first from Latvia, later from Silesia. Before the end of the war, his uncle‘s farm was destroyed, he was captured and his health was severely damaged due to the harsh treatment he received in the prison in Mírov. They often had to go into hiding, especially after his father‘s return in June 1945. After their father‘s repeated arrest and release, they decided to bribe Soviet soldiers, who transported them by truck to war-damaged Vienna on October 28, 1945. After several months in Vienna, they made their way to the American zone in Lorch near Schwäbisch Gmünd. There his parents rebuilt a construction company, even helping 110 families from the Soviet zone to get to the American zone. The business prospered until 1976, when the building crisis hit. Franz Seidl also became a civil engineer, studied Japanese and many other languages, and traveled all over the world. In 1971 he married Johanna Gartner from Passau, but they lived in Schwäbisch Gmünd. In 2016, Franz Seidl and a colleague founded the association Brücke nach Osten (Bridge to the East) and held many memorial lectures in schools in and around Schwäbisch Gmünd. He still has his home in Svitavy and enjoys visiting the peculiar landscape there.