Marie Lukešová

* 1941

  • "But the people [in Leskovice] already suspected something, so - I don't know exactly what it was - some of them ran off into the woods with their children. There's Litohošt' next door, so they went to that village, to the forest. The one who just didn't go anywhere, like the father of my classmate Vlastička Stupková... They were supposed to calve a cow, so he stayed in the barn. When the Germans were running around in the yard, he stood behind the door, and a German turned around like that, whether he wanted to or not, saw him, and they shot him right away. He had two small children. She [Vlasta Stupkova] was born 1942, so she was three years old, and the boy was two years older. So they killed the children's father. There were some Slanin family, they said they were hidden in the dung. They weren't buried in the dung, they probably had a hiding place. By then, people were getting ready to hide there, just in case. So they had a path somewhere and they all found it. They survived under the manure. That was a two-day rampage. The others were shot. They didn't go to the concentration camp, because there was nowhere to go, the war was over. Otherwise they would have been herded into a concentration camp like in Lidice. That was Leskovice."

  • "My main experience is when Leskovice was burning. I know that my mother held my hand. We ran behind the village, my dad probably did too. Everybody was crying and the smoke was so big up there! The flames were so big! It was about four or five kilometres high. We were lower than Leskovice. So it was terrible. That was such an experience for me that I can still see it slowly when I close my eyes, how it was burning."

  • "The people [in Chmelná] were sort of together before. They had benches in front of the house. In the evening after work they would meet, discuss, sit. Then, when the JZD (Unified agriculture cooperative) was established, the benches mostly disappeared and nobody talked with anybody anymore. They completely destroyed the village."

  • Celé nahrávky
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    Kaplice, 02.07.2024

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The whole village must have agreed that she would start the secondary school of economics.

Marie Lukesova, 1958
Marie Lukesova, 1958
zdroj: archive of the witness

Marie Lukešová, née Hrbková, was born on 20 September 1941, the second daughter of František and Marie Hrbková. She spent her childhood in Chmelná near Pelhřimov, where the family owned a farm of 12 hectares. Her parents brought her up in a Christian spirit. At the age of three, she saw Leskovice burn - the village where the Nazis murdered 25 people and burned many houses on 5 and 6 May 1945, at a time when many places in Czechoslovakia were already celebrating liberation. It experienced the liberation of Chmelná by the Red Army. Her parents were neither in the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia (KSČ) nor did they sympathize with communist politics. After 1950, the communists started to establish a unified agricultural cooperative (JZD) in Chmelná, which the Hrbeks did not want to join. For their resistance they were punished with liquidation supplies. They joined the cooperative later, under pressure. Marie Lukešová did not want to stay in agriculture. In order to enter the secondary school of economics in Velké Meziříčí in 1956, she had to obtain the blessing of all the inhabitants of Chmelná. In 1960 she joined the District National Committee (ONV) in Pelhřimov. She did not join the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia, but she struggled with offers to join the party almost all her working career. From 1968 until her retirement she worked as a budgeter in the economic department of the Department of Education in České Budějovice. At the time of filming (2024) she lived in a home for the elderly in Kaplice.