Jenő Ivánfi

Jenő Ivánfi (JI): "While we were walking, we heard dogs barking, tommy-guns crying, ’downs!’. It was raining, it was a sleet, but we couldn’t do other but lie down if it was needed on the wet soil. We pushed to the soil, and we waited until it turned silent again. Then, we stood up and we went in an Indian line, one after the other, keeping one meter distance. Uncle János headed the march. Interviewer (I): "The guns you heard was from a distance?" JI: "Yes, they were far away; you could hear them from a distance. Then, all of a sudden we heard the buzzing of a car. Again ’down!’ and so on.… Imagine that a serpentine road led to the hill and a Soviet armoured car…." I: "Crawled along…." JI: "Yes.… It crawled along, and its headlights lit the trees above our heads as it was proceeding. We waited that it would pass. They didn’t notice us because they probably was looking up and ahead. On the one hand, the wood could hide us, on the other hand they couldn’t even look side way because they had to guide the car." I: "They had to focus on the road, didn’t they?" JI: "Then we stood up and we went on. And Uncle János had warned us at the very beginning that the most dangerous section was the no man’s land. If we reached the end of the wood where the no man’s land began, we should stop and wait to see whether there was any moving and we should study the lights. Because, there were the watch-towers from where soldiers could shoot with their guns in a way that the trajectories crossed each other and closed the way of escape. But, you couldn’t see these towers neither from the wood or from the plowed up land, because the trees hid well them. They were noticeable only in the direction of the shootings. Furthermore, in the middle of the no man’s land, there was a wire installed at the height of knees we had to avoid. If we had pulled it, two lighting rockets would have been activated which would shed light on the region, and we would be immediately targeted with guns from the watch-towers behind us, in case there were soldiers there.”

"Well, the tussocky, it was full of water. It was the end of November, it was raining, there was sleet. We walked in the water and in the mud in well-ironed pants, nice shoes. We didn’t seem like human beings by the end--our feet were wet--but we didn’t give up. Uncle János knocked, the tziganes opened the door of their lodge. Uncle János said: 'I brought some refugees'. 'Come in!' The tziganes were very happy. 'Guests have arrived, boys! Where are the violins?' They began to play. 'Wine in the table!' They opened a bottle of red wine--they were so delighted. We had to tell everything about what had happened in Budapest. 'What is your favourite song? Which Hungarian song would you like to listen to?' I answered immediately that I wanted ’Come my dog, Bodri’, I wanted him to play it to me. And, we began to enjoy ourselves literally forcibly. We didn’t know what would happen to us, whether we could go on across the tussocky, for how long time we would be the guests of the tziganes in this small island. But, we drank together, we sang together and they played the violins to us. And, suddenly somebody kicked the door. It was Uncle János again and he called us: 'Gentlemen, come, we are to leave. It is already dark'. Then we left.”

Jenő Ivánfi (JL): "The train stopped at Veszprémben. Me and my family was living in that town those years, and I had the keys of our flat with me. A colleague of mine with whom I worked together in NEVIKI (Institute for Heavy Chemistry) had joined me in the compartment in Budapest." Interviewer (I): "Lucky you were!" JI: "And, I pulled out my keys and handed him saying: 'Look! These are my keys. I live in Hóvirág utca 12. Give them to Laci Harmati. They live with their parents; they don’t have their own flat; they don’t have where to live. Please, inform my wife that I’ve given you the keys and help her to move to her parents definitively, because she don’t know that I’m leaving the country.' This colleague of mine got off, he gave the keys to my friends, they got the flat and they were delighted. They helped my wife to move to Debrecen where she returned to her parents in tears." I: "Also Laci Harmati was a colleague of yours?" JI: "Yes, he was, but he was also a friend of mine--we didn’t have only a formal working relationship. We visited each other at New Year’s Eve, at Xmas, at Easter. We visited each other for chatting. We went together to Lake Balaton, to Almádi, where our institute had a comfortable weekend hotel on the coast with yachts. Also, these programs linked us together.”

Jenő Ivánfi (JI): “We began to walk in that direction, and it was easy to hear: 'Halt! Wer da?' A border soldier shouted at us. We stepped out of the trees, we approached him with arms up to let him know that we hadn’t got anything in hands, any weapons or others. Even so he asked us: 'Haben Sie munition?' We said we had nothing, neither weapons nor ammunition, we were Hungarian refugees, Ungarische Flüchtlinge, and we’ve escaped to Austria. Then he replied: 'You are welcome here! Just come! You can see a village down in the valley, it is Rohonc, you go there and there you will be told what to do'." Interviewer (I): "It means that the soldier didn’t even see you in anywhere?" JI: "No, he didn’t. He showed us only the way where to go. We followed his instructions, and then I sat down on to the first milestone. It was a high place. We could look at the region down in the valley where the lights were on…street lights in the villages…." I: "Yes, I imagine the shimmer." JI: "They were shimmering. Then I smoked a cigarette--the first after a long day--and I thought over what I had done, what I should do next. I thought about my wife, my children, when I would meet them again, how I would manage myself. A prayer helps always. And, the four of us went on walking calmly but we didn’t have to step in a single line anymore, we could also talk to each other.”

Jenő Ivánfi (JI): "I used to smoke a lot those days. So, I went out to smoke in the corridor, the others followed me, too--a lot of people stood on foot in the corridor. A man with a hat and in a green coat, which was typical of those years, because, in fact, factories distributed it among workers, stood near to me. I: "In a coat, yes." JI: "He leant over and asked, 'Do you need a guide?'. I thought it over. I examined the man, and finally I said: 'Look, I have to discuss it with my friends because I’m not alone, but we may accept your help'. Then, I joined my friends, one step, two steps apart, I said them: 'Listen boys, there is a man here who has offered to guide us across the border. What do you think about it?' Each of them agreed to it, they said: 'We certainly need him because we don’t know the region'. 'Listen,' I said. 'I’m going back to him, and if I find him sympathetic, and if I find plausible what he promises, I accept his offer and I come back to you. If I don’t, I won’t accept it.' I wanted to control two things. The first is whether he was looking into my eyes when he spoke to me, and the second is what his handshake was like: whether his palm was dry and whether he shook my hand sturdily. Not in such a way.… I: "Yes." JI: "It is terrible. Well, I returned to him and said: 'Sir, we would like to know first of all how you think to manage it'. I: "That is to say, what was his plans.' JI: "Yes, about his plans. He answered: 'Listen, tomorrow morning you should come to Bucsu by train or by bus from Szombathely'. It was a village there, a very small village, nevertheless it used to have a railway station. 'You should get off the bus, go along the main street as far as you arrive to the last house of the village, where on your right you will see a cross of stone, it signs the beginning of the village…” I: "Or the end of it." JI: Yes. 'You will see a big rural building with granary and with a large gate in front of the cross. Knock at the gate! Two dogs will run out barking heavily, but also the keeper will arrive after them. He will ask: "Who is there?” You should only say that uncle János sent you there. He will open the gate, let you in. He will close the gate again and will tell you where you can wait for me. At noon, when the bells toll, I’m arriving and we leave for the border.” ' I trusted him; I accepted his plans. I informed my friends, and we all agreed that we accept him as our guide, that man.”